the link to the ice racing 4 wheeler stuff in northern newyork? they hold racing all winter every year, anyone know a website?

its in southern ny goog;e square deal riders

this is where in upstate ny most of me and my buddy's race in the winter, its a fun event!!! http://www.lakegeorge.com/winter-carnival.cfm

yea i know about the winter carinval.. .but theres another set of races farther north, on all teh diff small lakes

This might help you out more, this is the site that runs a bunch of different races... http://www.cnyira.com/

do you mean tupper and saranac lake?

I thought last year was the last time they were doing it because of lack of participation, thats what I had heard last year on atvriders.com not sure if it's true or not.

yea i think it was the tupper lake thing anyone know if its all over or not?

i dont know if they have done anything up there in a couple years . at least i havent raced there anyways. i dont think i have rick r. phone number anymore. im sure i can find out if theres anything scheduled if you like